AGL System Architecture Team (SAT) Meetings

Meetings of the System Architecture Team are held every other Thursday. The upcoming schedule can be found on the project calendar.

Conference Information:

AGL-SAT Biweekly Meeting

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Attendees: Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Itoh, Yamaguchi, Ninjouji,

• OSPO EG
  • 4/1
    • Meeting held earlier today. Executive deck nearly finalized.
    • Brainstormed ideas for next actions.
    • See meeting minutes for details.

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 4/1
    • Discussed issue with workspace version mismatch with Flutter version and came up with a way to keep.
    • Joel switching to SDL3 as his wayland wrapper. Need to find out his plans for Trout.
    • Joel is on vacation this week and next.

• IC EG Updates
  • 4/1
    • Yamaguchi-san created six Jira tickets to outline improvement to the IC demo for this year. SPEC-5399 is the overall project with the others as subtasks. Plan is compare VirtIO loopback with SocketCAN in the demo.

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 4/1
    • Demonstrated the VisionFive2 running flutter at Embedded World and it looked good.

• SDV EG
  • 4/1
    • Several members had a discussion with AMD about Xen support. Walt got a quote for the Sapphire 5050A board which is very pricey. Need to have a follow up with AMD about possible AGL membership.
    • Submitted SORA and SOAR as possible names for new SDV platform.

• Waltham replacement SPEC-4689 - would like feedback on the two proposals in the Jira ticket.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .
  • 3/18

• S4SK BSP
  • 4/1 - did not show at Embedded World. CAN interface still not working unless it talks to another S4SK board.

• AMM scheduled for July 9-10. We will have the F2F meeting on Jul 11]. [[https://events.linuxfoundation.org/agl-amm-summer/program/cfp/ | CFP is open and closes on May 4

New Business

• Discussed proposal from Elektrobit to discuss Debian packaging during the AMM workshop. We will invite them to the workshop.

Attendees: Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius

- skipped -

• Super Salmon 19.0.0 was released. Release notes can be found here

• OSPO EG
  • 2/4
    • Meeting held this morning
    • Planning special OSPO event during the AMM. Inviting local comapanies who want more information about AGL, OSPO activities, OpenChain etc.
    • Walt will add the event to the AMM schedule from 17:15-18:45 on Wednesday
    • OSPO BoF session - Itoh-san to check if Endo-san can lead the BoF.
    • OSPO EG would like to hire a contractor for technical writing to improve the quality of the documentation.
  • 2/28
    • Added the document to Google drive, Itoh-san will send an email to mail list to announce that the document can be reviewed there.
    • Walt to set up a meeting to start at noon JST on Tuesday before the SC meeting. Will be in person and on-line.
  • 3/18

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 2/4
    • No update this week. Meeting planned for Thursday in the Japan friendly time.
    • Joel will make is talk at the AMM remotely.
  • 2/18
    • Will cancel the IVI PR call for this week due to Walt's travel.
  • 3/18

• IC EG Updates
  • 2/4
    • Testing Salon M4. Found two issues with RPI, one for audio, and one for Rockchip. All will be merged for final Salmon release.
    • Creating presentation for AMM.
  • 2/18
    • No update. Dr. Y is traveling this week and next.
  • 3/18

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 1/07
    • Rockchip included for Salmon
    • Vision 5 board patch was created by Yamaguchi-san. Only Qt 6 IVI is available and it requires a specific install package. Needs to be documented if we included it in the release.
  • 2/18
    • Will show VisionFive 2 at Embedded World. Jan-Simon is attempting to get Flutter working. Qt 6 will be the fall back. Need to confirm that input is working correctly.
  • 3/18

• SDV EG
  • 1/7
    • No meeting this week. Will meet next week to discuss demo apps for the Unified HMI.
  • 1/21
    • 2 UHMI-specific apps proposed by Panasonic. They'll work on it.
    • grpc/agl-compositor integration WIP by Marius.
  • 2/4
    • Discussed AGL compositor changes with UHMI with Murakami-san and Marius during the call. Documenting in SPEC-5280
    • Discussed Phase 4 development for VOS.
  • 2/18
    • Panasonic internally has developed Unified applications with the Sony Flutter embedder. Some effort may be needed to confirm that it works with the Toyota embedder.
    • Murakami-san getting married end of next week. Too busy to help us :(
  • 3/18

• Waltham replacement SPEC-4689 - would like feedback on the two proposals in the Jira ticket.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .
  • 3/18

• S4SK BSP
  • 7/23
    • We have the firmware that connects the CAN bus to the Linux code. Jan-Simon and Scott will test it out. * 1/21
    • Scott has the unlock firmware flashed and got the CAN interfaces to show up (required windows tool), need to verify CAN bus communication.
  • 3/18

• 2025 demo plan for Embedded World, ALS and more
• No CES in January. AMM and Embedded World in late February and mid-March
• Some ideas that were discussed
  • VirtIO loop back for IC containers
  • Make use of unified HMI. Need to port to AGL compositor to make use of the AGL applications
    • Talk to ICS about app ideas
  • App Store POC - need to get some more schedule details from Joel and determine how to do the store hosting
  • Update the gateway demo to use the S4 instead of reference hardware. Would also show off newest demo control panel. The AWS part might be hard or impossible.

• AMM scheduled for Feb 26-27. We will have the F2F meeting on Feb 28. CFP is open
  • Honda would like to discuss how to accelerate open source functional safety development with Xen, Zephyr and AOSP during the F2F meeting
  • Walt will add the meeting to the wiki page and send an announcement on the mail list

New Business

Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Itoh, Marius, Yamaguchi, Kusakabe, Itoh, Takashi Ninjouji (Honda)

• OSPO EG
  • 2/4
    • Meeting held this morning
    • Planning special OSPO event during the AMM. Inviting local comapanies who want more information about AGL, OSPO activities, OpenChain etc.
    • Walt will add the event to the AMM schedule from 17:15-18:45 on Wednesday
    • OSPO BoF session - Itoh-san to check if Endo-san can lead the BoF.
    • OSPO EG would like to hire a contractor for technical writing to improve the quality of the documentation.

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 2/4
    • No update this week. Meeting planned for Thursday in the Japan friendly time.
    • Joel will make is talk at the AMM remotely.

• IC EG Updates
  • 2/4
    • Testing Salon M4. Found two issues with RPI, one for audio, and one for Rockchip. All will be merged for final Salmon release.
    • Creating presentation for AMM.

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 1/07
    • Rockchip included for Salmon
    • Vision 5 board patch was created by Yamaguchi-san. Only Qt 6 IVI is available and it requires a specific install package. Needs to be documented if we included it in the release.

• SDV EG
  • 1/7
    • No meeting this week. Will meet next week to discuss demo apps for the Unified HMI.
  • 1/21
    • 2 UHMI-specific apps proposed by Panasonic. They'll work on it.
    • grpc/agl-compositor integration WIP by Marius.
  • 2/4
    • Discussed AGL compositor changes with UHMI with Murakami-san and Marius during the call. Documenting in SPEC-5280
    • Discussed Phase 4 development for VOS.

• Waltham replacement SPEC-4689 - would like feedback on the two proposals in the Jira ticket.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .

• S4SK BSP
  • 7/23
    • We have the firmware that connects the CAN bus to the Linux code. Jan-Simon and Scott will test it out. * 1/21
    • Scott has the unlock firmware flashed and got the CAN interfaces to show up (required windows tool), need to verify CAN bus communication.

• 2025 demo plan for Embedded World, ALS and more
  • No CES in January. AMM and Embedded World in late February and mid-March
  • Some ideas that were discussed
    • VirtIO loop back for IC containers
    • Make use of unified HMI. Need to port to AGL compositor to make use of the AGL applications
      • Talk to ICS about app ideas
    • App Store POC - need to get some more schedule details from Joel and determine how to do the store hosting
    • Update the gateway demo to use the S4 instead of reference hardware. Would also show off newest demo control panel. The AWS part might be hard or impossible.

• AMM scheduled for Feb 26-27. We will have the F2F meeting on Feb 28. CFP is open
  • Honda would like to discuss how to accelerate open source functional safety development with Xen, Zephyr and AOSP during the F2F meeting
  • Walt will add the meeting to the wiki page and send an announcement on the mail list

New Business

Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Itoh, Marius, Yamaguchi, Kusakabe

• OSPO EG
  • 1/7
    • Fourth meeting held.
    • Itoh-san or Endo-san will submit a talk for the AMM
    • OSPO BoF session for the AMM could do the the talk as a BoF or as two sessions. Will decide.
    • Itoh-san Confluence account is locked. Walt will help him get unlocked.
  • 1/21
    • Working on presentation, no call today.

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 1/7
    • This is week is Japan morning time slot (Friday at 9 am JST). Will review the App Store POC updates, new backend support, and other topics.
    • Need an IVI PR talk to be submitted to the AMM CFP
  • 1/21
    • Received Flutter update from Joel, merged to master and looking at merging for salmon M4 with it.
    • App Store Poc update https://lf-automotivelinux.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/IVIPR/pages/17826052/App+Store+Proof+of+Concept?focusedCommentId=172326964
    • Talk planned for AMM

• IC EG Updates
  • 1/7
    • Yamaguchi-san getting his last small fixes into Salmon M2 - all fixes no pass CI and can be merged when Jan-Simon gets back from holiday.
    • Embedded World demo integration is next major topic - Dr. Y getting permission from his company to attend.
    • Ishii-san also working on getting travel approved for Embedded World
    • Yamaguchi-san will give a talk at the AMM.
  • 1/21
    • Bug fixes merged for master/salmon.
    • Testing each board now (container integration)

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 1/07
    • Rockchip included for Salmon
    • Vision 5 board patch was created by Yamaguchi-san. Only Qt 6 IVI is available and it requires a specific install package. Needs to be documented if we included it in the release.

• SDV EG
  • 1/7
    • No meeting this week. Will meet next week to discuss demo apps for the Unified HMI.
  • 1/21
    • 2 UHMI-specific apps proposed by Panasonic. They'll work on it.
    • grpc/agl-compositor integration WIP by Marius.

• Waltham replacement SPEC-4689 - would like feedback on the two proposals in the Jira ticket.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .

• S4SK BSP
  • 7/23
    • We have the firmware that connects the CAN bus to the Linux code. Jan-Simon and Scott will test it out. * 1/21
    • Scott has the unlock firmware flashed and got the CAN interfaces to show up (required windows tool), need to verify CAN bus communication.

• 2025 demo plan for Embedded World, ALS and more
  • No CES in January. AMM and Embedded World in late February and mid-March
  • Some ideas that were discussed
    • VirtIO loop back for IC containers
    • Make use of unified HMI. Need to port to AGL compositor to make use of the AGL applications
      • Talk to ICS about app ideas
    • App Store POC - need to get some more schedule details from Joel and determine how to do the store hosting
    • Update the gateway demo to use the S4 instead of reference hardware. Would also show off newest demo control panel. The AWS part might be hard or impossible.

• AMM scheduled for Feb 26-27. We will have the F2F meeting on Feb 28. CFP is open
  • Honda would like to discuss how to accelerate open source functional safety development with Xen, Zephyr and AOSP during the F2F meeting
  • Walt will add the meeting to the wiki page and send an announcement on the mail list

New Business

• Waltham replacement SPEC-4689 - would like feedback on the two proposals in the Jira ticket.

Attendees: Walt, Scott, Ishii, Itoh, Marius, Yamaguchi, Kusakabe, George

• OSPO EG
  • 1/7
    • Fourth meeting held.
    • Itoh-san or Endo-san will submit a talk for the AMM
    • OSPO BoF session for the AMM could do the the talk as a BoF or as two sessions. Will decide.
    • Itoh-san Confluence account is locked. Walt will help him get unlocked.

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 1/7
    • This is week is Japan morning time slot (Friday at 9 am JST). Will review the App Store POC updates, new backend support, and other topics.
    • Need an IVI PR talk to be submitted to the AMM CFP

• IC EG Updates
  • 1/7
    • Yamaguchi-san getting his last small fixes into Salmon M2 - all fixes no pass CI and can be merged when Jan-Simon gets back from holiday.
    • Embedded World demo integration is next major topic - Dr. Y getting permission from his company to attend.
    • Ishii-san also working on getting travel approved for Embedded World
    • Yamaguchi-san will give a talk at the AMM.

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 1/07
    • Rockchip included for Salmon
    • Vision 5 board patch was created by Yamaguchi-san. Only Qt 6 IVI is available and it requires a specific install package. Needs to be documented if we included it in the release.

• SDV EG
  • 1/7
    • No meeting this week. Will meet next week to discuss demo apps for the Unified HMI.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .

• S4SK BSP
  • 7/23
    • We have the firmware that connects the CAN bus to the Linux code. Jan-Simon and Scott will test it out.

• 2025 demo plan for Embedded World, ALS and more
  • No CES in January. AMM and Embedded World in late February and mid-March
  • Some ideas that were discussed
    • VirtIO loop back for IC containers
    • Make use of unified HMI. Need to port to AGL compositor to make use of the AGL applications
      • Talk to ICS about app ideas
    • App Store POC - need to get some more schedule details from Joel and determine how to do the store hosting
    • Update the gateway demo to use the S4 instead of reference hardware. Would also show off newest demo control panel. The AWS part might be hard or impossible.

• AMM scheduled for Feb 26-27. We will have the F2F meeting on Feb 28. CFP is open
  • Honda would like to discuss how to accelerate open source functional safety development with Xen, Zephyr and AOSP during the F2F meeting
  • Walt will add the meeting to the wiki page and send an announcement on the mail list

Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon,Ishii, Itoh, Marius, Yamaguchi, Kusakabe

• OSPO EG
  • 12/10
    • Third meeting held.

• IVI PR Updates from Toyota
  • 11/12
    • Japan friendly time meeting to be held this week.
  • 11/26
    • No meeting this week due to US Holiday. Next Japan friendly time is December 10 meeting.
    • Would like to schedule a F2F meeting with Joel in Japan (maybe AMM? or another trip he makes to Japan)
    • Update of meta-flutter to 3.24.4 is expected from Toyota to be included with Salman M2
    • App Store POC making progress
  • 12/10
    • Last meeting was canceled due to travel. This week's meeting is in the Japan friendly time slot.

• IC EG Updates
  • 10/15
    • Qt6 migration complete waiting for last patches to get merged.
  • 11/12
    • Qt6 migration is complete.
    • Reviewing updates to cgroupv1
  • 11/26
    • Should discuss alternatives to LXC and whether IC EG should use a different solution (see gerrit 30510 for complications related to keeping LXC with cgroupsv2). Should keep upstream first in mind vs. creating a bunch of one-off code we need to maintain. Ideally we would have a solution where someone can use a container (LXC or other) “out of the box” without the need to for the external container manager.
      • LXC support for two-layer isolation
      • Yamaguchi-san created container-manager on github. Question of whether this will remain on github or moved to gerrit and whether Yamaguchi-san will maintain the code long term.
      • SAT would like to see additional documentation so that we do not have a single point of knowledge.
      • Discussed gerrit 30504 particularly the need for image-mount.sh
  • 12/10
    • Yamaguchi-san fixed DRM lease issue and it was merged for Salmon M2

• Reference Hardware (and other hardware)
  • 11/12
    • Rockchip board being added for Salmon

• SDV EG
  • 7/9
    • No update
  • 8/20
    • VOS gave an update on their latest work during the call this morning.
  • 10/1
    • Update on next UHMI release , schedule is mid-october
    • VOS uploaded more virtio patches to gerrit for review.
  • 11/12
    • Marius working on SPEC-5280 with Panasonic for adding a gRPC API and SPEC-5235 - for Pipewire gstreamer updates to the remoting plug-in.

Profiles document can be found here.

• 5/26
  • Document was started last week in Berlin. No updates since then. Will review next SAT call.

• RTOS Confluence page
  • 9/5
    • AWS completed some code and is awaiting verification of the distributed architecture for heterogeneous multicore architecture. Need to finish verification and determine where the code should be upstreamed to.
    • Richard and Jerry discussed having Jerry and SDV EG fill in the Hypervisor cell part of the architecture.
  • 9/19
    • AWS code for heterogeneous multicore should ready to be published at the end of their current sprint.
    • Kazuki-san is working on the hypervisor cell topic. We would like to touch base with Paul M about these topics as well.
  • 10/5
    • Kazuki-san added the hypervisor cell topic in Confluence. We will review it at the next SAT.
  • 10/17
    • Updated https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/display/SAT/Hypervisor+Cell .

• S4SK BSP
  • 7/23
    • We have the firmware that connects the CAN bus to the Linux code. Jan-Simon and Scott will test it out.

• 2025 demo plan for Embedded World, ALS and more
  • No CES in January. AMM and Embedded World in late February and mid-March
  • Some ideas that were discussed
    • VirtIO loop back for IC containers
    • Make use of unified HMI. Need to port to AGL compositor to make use of the AGL applications
      • Talk to ICS about app ideas
    • App Store POC - need to get some more schedule details from Joel and determine how to do the store hosting
    • Update the gateway demo to use the S4 instead of reference hardware. Would also show off newest demo control panel. The AWS part might be hard or impossible.

• AMM scheduled for Feb 26-27. We will have the F2F meeting on Feb 28. CFP is open
  • Honda would like to discuss how to accelerate open source functional safety development with Xen, Zephyr and AOSP during the F2F meeting
  • Walt will add the meeting to the wiki page and send an announcement on the mail list

Meeting minutes prior to 2025 can be found here