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 ===== Meetings Notes for AGL Application Framework and Security Team =====
-Meetings of the App Framework and Security EG are held every other Wednesday. Meeting time is 14:00 UTC. The upcoming schedule can be found below.
+Meetings of the App Framework and Security EG are held every other Wednesday. The upcoming schedule can be found on the [[https://lists.automotivelinux.org/g/agl-dev-community/calendar | project calendar]]
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-==== April 20, 2022  ====
+==== Feb 21, 2024  ====
-Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Lorenzo, Jose, Marius
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Denys
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 2/7
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
 **Application Framework Redesign**
-     * 12/15
-       * Applaunchd rewrite with glib feature-par with qt version. Debugging discovery. Will push initial version and discovery on-top.
+   * IPC
-       * Slides from ALS https://static.sched.com/hosted_files/ossalsjp21/e2/ALS2021-Arnaud.pdf
+     * 11/29
-     * 1/12
+       * Full speed ahead with gRPC
-       * applaunchd patches should be submitted today.
-     * 2/9
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
-       * Documentation in progress for Marlin release. Arnaud expects to be ready to submit to gerrit by Friday. Documentation will appear [[https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#3_Developer_Guides/0_FIXME/ | here]].
-       * Toyota will review the documentation and suggest improvements to the implementation. Date-san can decide whether to post the improvements in Confluence or Jira depending on the scope of the changes.
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
-     * 2/23
+     * 12/13
-       * Documentation reviewed as part of gerrit 27166.  Date-san said that IPC and notification mechanisms are in legal review at Toyota. Part of the IPC has been disclosed previously as part of base-system.  Toyota will review document again and provide feedback in gerrit.
+       * KUKSA.val is now on 0.4.2
-       * Meanwhile Toyota can provide requirements to the app FW effort as it evolves this year.
+       * VSS is on 4.0
-       * Discussed possible IPC mechanisms for WAM. Jose's proposal is to use javascript for a limited set of specific APIs. Scott brought up maintenance difficulties with having to update WAM every time a new API is added. Discussed gRPC as default mechanism and/or a proxy mechanism.
+     * 2/7
-       * Flutter IPC is under development within Toyota.
+       * Rust 1.70 mix-in is now merged which reduced the size of our patch for databroker.
-     * 3/1
-       * Scott added a write up of the current state and possible future roadmap to [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/iIV2Aw | Confluence]] and gave an overview of the proposed roadmap.
+   * Ref HW
-         * Need additional app lifecycle requirements
+     * No update
-         * Jose liked the idea of using the mixer as an initial implementation of gRPC that could be used by WAF.
-         * Asking for people to review and comment in Confluence
-         * Walt will take the roadmap as discussed in Confluence and add it to the roadmap spreadsheet.
+   * Networking/Bluetooth
-         * Date-san asked for comments on base system and it's gaps with these requirements.
+     * No update
+     * Possibly stubbed-out grpc api.
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== Feb 7, 2024  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+   * 10/4
+     * Scott started working on documentation
+   * 10/18
+     * Scott uploaded a first batch of documentation changes:
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29283
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29284
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29285
+     * Discussing options for mkdocs templating
+       * https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/ vs mkdocs + upstream rtd theme
+   * 11/29
+     * All documentation done for now. Will look at doing some more updates before the Quillback release.
+   * 2/7
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * IPC
+     * 11/29
+       * Full speed ahead with gRPC
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 12/13
+       * KUKSA.val is now on 0.4.2
+       * VSS is on 4.0
+     * 2/7
+       * Rust 1.70 mix-in is now merged which reduced the size of our patch for databroker.
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * Networking/Bluetooth
+     * No update
+     * Possibly stubbed-out grpc api.
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== Dec 13, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott,
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+   * 10/4
+     * Scott started working on documentation
+   * 10/18
+     * Scott uploaded a first batch of documentation changes:
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29283
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29284
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29285
+     * Discussing options for mkdocs templating
+       * https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/ vs mkdocs + upstream rtd theme
+   * 11/29
+     * All documentation done for now. Will look at doing some more updates before the Quillback release.
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * IPC
+     * 11/29
+       * Full speed ahead with gRPC
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 12/13
+       * KUKSA.val is now on 0.4.2
+       * VSS is on 4.0
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * Networking/Bluetooth
+     * No update
+     * Possibly stubbed-out grpc api.
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== Nov 29, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+   * 10/4
+     * Scott started working on documentation
+   * 10/18
+     * Scott uploaded a first batch of documentation changes:
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29283
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29284
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29285
+     * Discussing options for mkdocs templating
+       * https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/ vs mkdocs + upstream rtd theme
+   * 11/29
+     * All documentation done for now. Will look at doing some more updates before the Quillback release.
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * IPC
+     * 11/29
+       * Full speed ahead with gRPC
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * Networking/Bluetooth
+     * No update
+     * Possibly stubbed-out grpc api.
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== October 18, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Jan-Simon, Scott, Denys, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+   * 10/4
+     * Scott started working on documenation
+   * 10/18
+     * Scott uploaded a first batch of documentation changes:
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29283
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29284
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/c/AGL/documentation/+/29285
+     * Discussing options for mkdocs templating
+       * https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/ vs mkdocs + upstream rtd theme
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * 8/9
+     * No update
+   * 9/6
+     * Denys passed his changes to Scott for the sandboxing and systemd changes. Waiting on Scott to complete the updates.
+   * 9/20
+     * Scott readying updates.
+   * 10/18
+     * see above, to be backported.
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+     * 10/18
+       * Databroker in use and old server removed.
+       *
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * Networking/Bluetooth
+     * No update
+     * Possibly stubbed-out grpc api.
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== October 4, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Denys, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+   * 10/4
+     * Scott started working on documenation
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * 8/9
+     * No update
+   * 9/6
+     * Denys passed his changes to Scott for the sandboxing and systemd changes. Waiting on Scott to complete the updates.
+   * 9/20
+     * Scott readying updates.
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== September 20, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Yan, Denys, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 9/20
+     *  Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * 8/9
+     * No update
+   * 9/6
+     * Denys passed his changes to Scott for the sandboxing and systemd changes. Waiting on Scott to complete the updates.
+   * 9/20
+     * Scott readying updates.
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== September 6, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Denys
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 5/31
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+     * How do we improve the developer workflow for Qt and Webapps?
+       * Start with documenting the process for deploying apps today.
+       * We probably do not want to create and maintain a bunch of tools on our own.
+       * Is there something upstream we could use? YP devtool is one possibility, but there is no upstream maintainer and we would need to document very well and expect problems with the tooling. Possibly write a script similar to what Joel has done for Flutter.
+   * 6/14
+     * Will add developer workflow to the F2F schedule in Tokyo
+   * 8/9
+     * test and link config for Joel's tooling, write section for doc site
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * 8/9
+     * No update
+   * 9/6
+     * Denys passed his changes to Scott for the sandboxing and systemd changes. Waiting on Scott to complete the updates.
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+   * What to show at EOSS?
+==== August 09, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 5/31
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+     * How do we improve the developer workflow for Qt and Webapps?
+       * Start with documenting the process for deploying apps today.
+       * We probably do not want to create and maintain a bunch of tools on our own.
+       * Is there something upstream we could use? YP devtool is one possibility, but there is no upstream maintainer and we would need to document very well and expect problems with the tooling. Possibly write a script similar to what Joel has done for Flutter.
+   * 6/14
+     * Will add developer workflow to the F2F schedule in Tokyo
+   * 8/9
+     * test and link config for Joel's tooling, write section for doc site
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * 8/9
+     * No update
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+     * 8/9
+       * Databroker available in pike but not in use. QT apps will be converted in a point release of pike.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+   * What to show at EOSS?
+==== June 14, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Denys, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 5/31
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+     * How do we improve the developer workflow for Qt and Webapps?
+       * Start with documenting the process for deploying apps today.
+       * We probably do not want to create and maintain a bunch of tools on our own.
+       * Is there something upstream we could use? YP devtool is one possibility, but there is no upstream maintainer and we would need to document very well and expect problems with the tooling. Possibly write a script similar to what Joel has done for Flutter.
+   * 6/14
+     * Will add developer workflow to the F2F schedule in Tokyo
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+ Documentation for Pike
+   * 6/14
+     * Scott will work on soon
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+     * 6/14
+       * Databroker gRPC for Qt apps in progress for Pike M2/M3
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+   * What to show at EOSS?
+==== May 31, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Yan, Marius, Ishii, Kurokawa
+**App FW EG Topics**
+   * 5/31
+     * Revisited and updated the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/bgBNB | 2023 Roadmap Confluence page]]
+     * How do we improve the developer workflow for Qt and Webapps?
+       * Start with documenting the process for deploying apps today.
+       * We probably do not want to create and maintain a bunch of tools on our own.
+       * Is there something upstream we could use? YP devtool is one possibility, but there is no upstream maintainer and we would need to document very well and expect problems with the tooling. Possibly write a script similar to what Joel has done for Flutter.
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * 4/5
+     * documentation WIP
+     * Create link from https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#06_Component_Documentation/06_application_framework/  back to https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#04_Developer_Guides/01_Application_Framework/01_Introduction/
+     * Debugging https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-4199
+   * 4/19
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/3
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/17
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/31
+     * Documentation for Pike is WIP
+   * IPC
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+     * 5/31
+       * SPEC-4801 - DBUS removal from applaunchd is complete
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+     * 4/5
+       * Working on Kuksa.val databroker (aka rust-based implementation, grpc only, preferred by upstream)
+     * 4/19
+       * Discussed Paul's work using with connecting steering wheel and standard VSS signals and KUKSA.val versus the [[https://git.automotivelinux.org/AGL/meta-agl-demo/tree/recipes-connectivity/kuksa-val/kuksa-val-agl/00-agl_vss_overlay_2.2.json | overlay that Scott currently has implemented]].
+       * SPEC-4761 - Switch to KUKSA.val databroker
+       * SPEC-4762 - Update to KUKSA.val to 0.3.1
+     * 5/3
+       * 0.3.1 upgrade in final stages. Client and feeder need more changes.
+       * Added vss-tools recipe to generate the new json
+       * mix-in layer ready this week, can add layer and submit databroker to gerrit
+     * 5/17
+       * 0.3.1 should be ready to go into master this week.
+       * databroker in progress now that semi-latest Rust (1.6.8) is available with the mix-in layer.
+     * 5/31
+       * 0.3.1 complete
+       * databroker enablement uploaded to gerrit.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== May 17, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Scott, Marius, Deepansh Jain (Scooterson)
+**App FW EG Topics**
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * 4/5
+     * documentation WIP
+     * Create link from https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#06_Component_Documentation/06_application_framework/  back to https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#04_Developer_Guides/01_Application_Framework/01_Introduction/
+     * Debugging https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-4199
+   * 4/19
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/3
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/17
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+     * 3/22
+       * Get an update from Scott next time.
+     * 4/18
+       * DBUS interface to Applaunchd can be removed once the WAM changes from Roger are merged.
+     * 5/03
+       * Changes to WAM are WIP
+     * 5/17
+       * WAM changes are done. Can try removing DBUS from applaunchd (SPEC-4801)
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+     * 4/5
+       * Working on Kuksa.val databroker (aka rust-based implementation, grpc only, preferred by upstream)
+     * 4/19
+       * Discussed Paul's work using with connecting steering wheel and standard VSS signals and KUKSA.val versus the [[https://git.automotivelinux.org/AGL/meta-agl-demo/tree/recipes-connectivity/kuksa-val/kuksa-val-agl/00-agl_vss_overlay_2.2.json | overlay that Scott currently has implemented]].
+       * SPEC-4761 - Switch to KUKSA.val databroker
+       * SPEC-4762 - Update to KUKSA.val to 0.3.1
+     * 5/3
+       * 0.3.1 upgrade in final stages. Client and feeder need more changes.
+       * Added vss-tools recipe to generate the new json
+       * mix-in layer ready this week, can add layer and submit databroker to gerrit
+     * 5/17
+       * 0.3.1 should be ready to go into master this week.
+       * databroker in progress now that semi-latest Rust (1.6.8) is available with the mix-in layer.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== May 3rd, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Denys, Dua Ha Quang
+**App FW EG Topics**
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * 4/5
+     * documentation WIP
+     * Create link from https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#06_Component_Documentation/06_application_framework/  back to https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#04_Developer_Guides/01_Application_Framework/01_Introduction/
+     * Debugging https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-4199
+   * 4/19
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * 5/3
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+     * 3/22
+       * Get an update from Scott next time.
+     * 4/18
+       * DBUS interface to Applaunchd can be removed once the WAM changes from Roger are merged.
+     * 5/03
+       * Changes to WAM are WIP
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+     * 4/5
+       * Working on Kuksa.val databroker (aka rust-based implementation, grpc only, preferred by upstream)
+     * 4/19
+       * Discussed Paul's work using with connecting steering wheel and standard VSS signals and KUKSA.val versus the [[https://git.automotivelinux.org/AGL/meta-agl-demo/tree/recipes-connectivity/kuksa-val/kuksa-val-agl/00-agl_vss_overlay_2.2.json | overlay that Scott currently has implemented]].
+       * SPEC-4761 - Switch to KUKSA.val databroker
+       * SPEC-4762 - Update to KUKSA.val to 0.3.1
+     * 5/3
+       * 0.3.1 upgrade in final stages. Client and feeder need more changes.
+       * Added vss-tools recipe to generate the new json
+       * mix-in layer ready this week, can add layer and submit databroker to gerrit
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+   *
+==== April 19, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Paul M, Du Ha
+**App FW EG Topics**
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * 4/5
+     * documentation WIP
+     * Create link from https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#06_Component_Documentation/06_application_framework/  back to https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#04_Developer_Guides/01_Application_Framework/01_Introduction/
+     * Debugging https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-4199
+   * 4/19
+     * Need update from Denys on documentation status.
+       * Sandboxing documentation (Jira ticket)
+       * Remove Dbus documentation once the WAM updates are done (Jira ticket)
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+     * 3/22
+       * Get an update from Scott next time.
+     * 4/18
+       * DBUS interface to Applaunchd can be removed once the WAM changes from Roger are merged.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+     * 4/5
+       * Working on Kuksa.val databroker (aka rust-based implementation, grpc only, preferred by upstream)
+     * 4/19
+       * Discussed Paul's work using with connecting steering wheel and standard VSS signals and KUKSA.val versus the [[https://git.automotivelinux.org/AGL/meta-agl-demo/tree/recipes-connectivity/kuksa-val/kuksa-val-agl/00-agl_vss_overlay_2.2.json | overlay that Scott currently has implemented]].
+       * SPEC-4761 - Switch to KUKSA.val databroker
+       * SPEC-4762 - Update to KUKSA.val to 0.3.1
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== April 5, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Jan-Simon, Denys, Scott, Ishii-san, Marius
+**App FW EG Topics**
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * 4/5
+     * documentation WIP
+     * Create link from https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#06_Component_Documentation/06_application_framework/  back to https://docs.automotivelinux.org/en/master/#04_Developer_Guides/01_Application_Framework/01_Introduction/
+     * Debugging https://jira.automotivelinux.org/browse/SPEC-4199
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+     * 3/22
+       * Get an update from Scott next time.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+     * 4/5
+       * Working on Kuksa.val databroker (aka rust-based implementation, grpc only, preferred by upstream)
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+New:
+==== March 22, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Kurokawa
+**App FW EG Topics**
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * 3/22
+     * Marius documentation updates are in review in gerrit
+     * Waiting on Denys for sandbox documentation updates
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+     * 3/22
+       * Get an update from Scott next time.
+**Connectivity EG Topics**
+   * CAN/ Vehicle Signaling
+     * 1/26
+       * Kuksa.val running in the CES demo and is up to date in the Needlefish and Octopus releases.
+   * Bluetooth
+     * No update
+   * Ref HW
+     * No update
+   * 5G/LTE module and Telephony
+     * No update
+  * New topics:
+    * Checked EG feature list for 2023. Scott will update the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/iIV2Aw | Confluence]] page to describe 2023 status and priorities.
+==== February 22, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Scott, Denys, Marius, Kim Sung Won
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 11/16
+     * Denys to look at systemd units and the kernel config to enable better sandboxing and add that to the app templates.
+   * 12/14
+     * Looking into BPF to extend and enable the sandboxing.
+     * Basic BPF support planned for Octopus M2
+   * 1/25
+     * SPEC-4627 - Basic BPF made it into Octopus. Need to check with Denys what type of testing has been done. Should we add to doc site?
+       * Is there a simple example we can document such as limiting access to the root file system by the applications.
+   * 2/8
+     * Denys is going to update the documentation site with systemd and sandbox information.
+   * 2/22
+     * Documentation update still in progress. Marius has some changes to the documentation as well.
+   * Flutter
+     * 1/25
+       * Nothing app FW related
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+     * 12/14 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+  * New topics:
+    * Checked EG feature list for 2023. Scott will update the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/iIV2Aw | Confluence]] page to describe 2023 status and priorities.
+==== February 8, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 11/16
+     * Denys to look at systemd units and the kernel config to enable better sandboxing and add that to the app templates.
+   * 12/14
+     * Looking into BPF to extend and enable the sandboxing.
+     * Basic BPF support planned for Octopus M2
+   * 1/25
+     * SPEC-4627 - Basic BPF made it into Octopus. Need to check with Denys what type of testing has been done. Should we add to doc site?
+       * Is there a simple example we can document such as limiting access to the root file system by the applications.
+   * 2/8
+     * Denys is going to update the documentation site with systemd and sandbox information.
+   * Flutter
+     * 1/25
+       * Nothing app FW related
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+     * 12/14 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+  * New topics:
+    * Checked EG feature list for 2023. Scott will update the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/iIV2Aw | Confluence]] page to describe 2023 status and priorities.
+==== January 25, 2023  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Andrea Pferscher (TU Graz)
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 11/16
+     * Denys to look at systemd units and the kernel config to enable better sandboxing and add that to the app templates.
+   * 12/14
+     * Looking into BPF to extend and enable the sandboxing.
+     * Basic BPF support planned for Octopus M2
+   * 1/25
+     * SPEC-4627 - Basic BPF made it into Octopus. Need to check with Denys what type of testing has been done. Should we add to doc site?
+       * Is there a simple example we can document such as limiting access to the root file system by the applications.
+   * Flutter
+     * 1/25
+       * Nothing app FW related
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+     * 12/14 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 1/25
+       * Radio tuner API converted to gRPC and the Qt app was updated to use the new API.
+  * New topics:
+    * Andrea at TU Graz working with AVL on connectivity topics.
+    * Checked EG feature list for 2023. Scott will update the [[https://confluence.automotivelinux.org/x/iIV2Aw | Confluence]] page to describe 2023 status and priorities.
+==== December 14, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 9/21
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+       * just merged in master
+     * looking at running applaunchd as a separate user
+       * depends on grpc version of the deamon
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+       * will be ready for postponed F2F
+   * 10/5
+     * Roger working on converting WAM to use gRPC applaunchd interface over the next month.
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by October F2F
+   * 11/16
+     * Denys to look at systemd units and the kernel config to enable better sandboxing and add that to the app templates.
+   * 12/14
+     * Looking into BPF to extend and enable the sandboxing.
+     * Basic BPF support planned for Octopus M2
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * 8/10
+     * Released for M3 and ready for final NN release
+   * 8/24
+     * Good progress being made. IVI PR call now every week in order to speed up progress.
+     * Scott will move the Igalia home screen for flutter from the Igalia Github into an AGL repo and we will use that as a starting point for continued home screen work including the applaunchd work.
+   * 9/21
+     * 14.0.1 release pinned the Flutter SDK
+     * Scott hacking on flutter-homescreen from Igalia, need to port to latest flutter
+     * GSoC students finished or about to finish their apps.
+     * Need code in embedder for window activation going forward
+   * 10/5
+     * Scott got to the point of being able to launch apps from the flutter home screen using applaunchd.
+     * Discussed SPEC-4503 and how to proceed. Marius will do some prototyping and we will schedule a session during the F2F meeting to discuss.
+   * 12/14
+     * Scott has changes to enable observatory port to enable easier debugging
+     * Discussing crash seen during ALS
+       * pvr_sync_file: pvr_sync_create_fence: Failed to get fd
+''
+[10734.765629] pvr_sync_file: pvr_sync_create_fence: Failed to get fd
+[10734.771904] PVR_K:(Error): 808: SyncCheckpointCreateFence failed to create new
+               fence<00000000d53eba0e> for timeline<20> using sync checkpoint
+               context<000000005216f1c0>, psNewSyncCheckpoint=<00000000aea179b3>,
+               eError=PVRSRV_ERROR_UNABLE_TO_ADD_HANDLE [700]
+[10734.794614] PVR_K:(Error): 808: PVRSRVRGXKickTA3DKM: SyncCheckpointCreateFence[3D]
+               failed (PVRSRV_ERROR_UNABLE_TO_ADD_HANDLE) [4299]
+''
+     * Noticed an about 4h timeout on the websocket connection to kuksa .
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+     * 12/14 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+     * 8/10
+       * Jose on vacation
+     * 8/24
+       * Kuksa.val gRPC work landed. Latest version needs to be updated in our builds. gRPC conversion on our side will be later in the year.
+     * 9/21
+       * Update of Kuksa.val under investigation
+     * 12/14
+       * Kuksa.val updated
+  * New topics:
+    *
+Next call Jan 11th 2023
+==== November 16, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 9/21
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+       * just merged in master
+     * looking at running applaunchd as a separate user
+       * depends on grpc version of the deamon
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+       * will be ready for postponed F2F
+   * 10/5
+     * Roger working on converting WAM to use gRPC applaunchd interface over the next month.
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by October F2F
+   * 11/16
+     * Denys to look at systemd units and the kernel config to enable better sandboxing and add that to the app templates.
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * 8/10
+     * Released for M3 and ready for final NN release
+   * 8/24
+     * Good progress being made. IVI PR call now every week in order to speed up progress.
+     * Scott will move the Igalia home screen for flutter from the Igalia Github into an AGL repo and we will use that as a starting point for continued home screen work including the applaunchd work.
+   * 9/21
+     * 14.0.1 release pinned the Flutter SDK
+     * Scott hacking on flutter-homescreen from Igalia, need to port to latest flutter
+     * GSoC students finished or about to finish their apps.
+     * Need code in embedder for window activation going forward
+   * 10/5
+     * Scott got to the point of being able to launch apps from the flutter home screen using applaunchd.
+     * Discussed SPEC-4503 and how to proceed. Marius will do some prototyping and we will schedule a session during the F2F meeting to discuss.
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+     * 8/10
+       * Jose on vacation
+     * 8/24
+       * Kuksa.val gRPC work landed. Latest version needs to be updated in our builds. gRPC conversion on our side will be later in the year.
+     * 9/21
+       * Update of Kuksa.val under investigation
+  * New topics:
+==== October 5, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Roger, Jose, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 9/21
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+       * just merged in master
+     * looking at running applaunchd as a separate user
+       * depends on grpc version of the deamon
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+       * will be ready for postponed F2F
+   * 10/5
+     * Roger working on converting WAM to use gRPC applaunchd interface over the next month.
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by October F2F
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * 8/10
+     * Released for M3 and ready for final NN release
+   * 8/24
+     * Good progress being made. IVI PR call now every week in order to speed up progress.
+     * Scott will move the Igalia home screen for flutter from the Igalia Github into an AGL repo and we will use that as a starting point for continued home screen work including the applaunchd work.
+   * 9/21
+     * 14.0.1 release pinned the Flutter SDK
+     * Scott hacking on flutter-homescreen from Igalia, need to port to latest flutter
+     * GSoC students finished or about to finish their apps.
+     * Need code in embedder for window activation going forward
+   * 10/5
+     * Scott got to the point of being able to launch apps from the flutter home screen using applaunchd.
+     * Discussed SPEC-4503 and how to proceed. Marius will do some prototyping and we will schedule a session during the F2F meeting to discuss.
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+     * 9/21 - no update
+     * 10/5 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+     * 8/10
+       * Jose on vacation
+     * 8/24
+       * Kuksa.val gRPC work landed. Latest version needs to be updated in our builds. gRPC conversion on our side will be later in the year.
+     * 9/21
+       * Update of Kuksa.val under investigation
+  * New topics:
+==== August 24, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Scott, Jan-Simon, Marius, Aman, Jose, Ishii, Lorenzo, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 7/13
+     * Code for reworked application start/stop is in gerrit for review
+     * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/q/SPEC-4466
+     * This is scheduled to go into M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * Todo: work on enumeration
+       * Todo: single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+       * agl-app(-html5/-flutter)-* templates ?
+       * extra metadata in desktop files vs systemd units
+         * DISPLAYNAME - maybe use 'Description' field
+         * ICON PATH - well known fixed path (/usr/share/AGL/icons/appname.svg ?)
+     * How to enable a sandboxing feature in a recipe ?
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files
+       *
+  * 7/27
+     * Denys applaunchd patches were released for M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * WIP: enumeration- In progress by Scott. Should be ready for M2.
+       * WIP: templates - single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files]
+   * 8/10
+     * Denys looking at running applaunchd as a separate user.
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+   * 8/24
+     * Denys was on vacation last week so not much progress
+     * looking at running applaunchd as a separate user.
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * 8/10
+     * Released for M3 and ready for final NN release
+   * 8/24
+     * Good progress being made. IVI PR call now every week in order to speed up progress.
+     * Scott will move the Igalia home screen for flutter from the Igalia Github into an AGL repo and we will use that as a starting point for continued home screen work including the applaunchd work.
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+     * 8/24 - no update
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+     * 8/10
+       * Jose on vacation
+     * 8/24
+       * Kuksa.val gRPC work landed. Latest version needs to be updated in our builds. gRPC conversion on our side will be later in the year.
+  * New topics:
+==== August 10, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Denys, Aakash, Aman, Marius, Hritik
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 7/13
+     * Code for reworked application start/stop is in gerrit for review
+     * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/q/SPEC-4466
+     * This is scheduled to go into M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * Todo: work on enumeration
+       * Todo: single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+       * agl-app(-html5/-flutter)-* templates ?
+       * extra metadata in desktop files vs systemd units
+         * DISPLAYNAME - maybe use 'Description' field
+         * ICON PATH - well known fixed path (/usr/share/AGL/icons/appname.svg ?)
+     * How to enable a sandboxing feature in a recipe ?
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files
+       *
+  * 7/27
+     * Denys applaunchd patches were released for M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * WIP: enumeration- In progress by Scott. Should be ready for M2.
+       * WIP: templates - single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files]
+   * 8/10
+     * Denys looking at running applaunchd as a separate user.
+     * gRPC version of applaunchd in progress
+     * Documentation of applaunchd and app templates to be completed by September F2F
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * 8/10
+     * Released for M3 and ready for final NN release
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+     * 8/10 - permissive mode released in Needlefish
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+     * 8/10
+       * Jose on vacation
+  * New topics:
+==== July 27, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Marius, Jose
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+   * 7/13
+     * Code for reworked application start/stop is in gerrit for review
+     * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/q/SPEC-4466
+     * This is scheduled to go into M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * Todo: work on enumeration
+       * Todo: single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+       * agl-app(-html5/-flutter)-* templates ?
+       * extra metadata in desktop files vs systemd units
+         * DISPLAYNAME - maybe use 'Description' field
+         * ICON PATH - well known fixed path (/usr/share/AGL/icons/appname.svg ?)
+     * How to enable a sandboxing feature in a recipe ?
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files
+       *
+  * 7/27
+     * Denys applaunchd patches were released for M1
+     * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+       * WIP: enumeration- In progress by Scott. Should be ready for M2.
+       * WIP: templates - single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+     * Need to document workflow for:
+       * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * 7/27
+     * Flutter looking ok for M2. Scott working on app template (see above).
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+     * 7/27 - permissive mode submitted in gerrit and should be in M2
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+     * 7/27
+       * Jose looking at gRPC for web app interface. Kuksa.val gRPC work in progress upstream.
+  * New topics:
+==== July 13, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Jan-Simon, Scott, Denys, Marius, Ishii-san
+**Application Framework Redesign**
      * 4/20
        * Someone from Konsulko will be starting to work on this half-time starting in the next two weeks. Should get that person to Berlin for the F2F as well.
        * Marius opened SPEC-4236 to discuss the Flutter integration to AGL. Please review that conversation with Joel and provide feedback. Joel also added some comments to the Confluence requirements page.
+     * 6/1
+       * Applaunchd rework started by Denys.  He received reference hardware and is getting it set up.
+       * First thing to get done is to switch to systemd units. Asked Denys to provide an idea for a plan during the Tuesday dev call.
+       * Marius asked if this will be a knife-switch. Will we deprecate the current spawning mechanism once this is added. Initial thought is that the new mechanism will be the only one available for the Needlefish release.
+       * gRPC is seen as a follow-on effort, but will be available later in the Needlefish development cycle.
+     * 6/15
+       * Denis activities since last meeting
+         * Going over the existing applaunchd source code, learning how it enumerates the apps, parses corresponding .desktop files, handles d-bus calls and signals and spawns the app
+         * Experimented with converting sample apps into systemd units - found first limitation of systemd sandboxing only working on system-level services (i.e. root-owned), but not on user-level services
+         * The workaround is for the system-level services to drop root privileges and run the apps under a regular "agl-driver" user by specifying User=agl-driver in the unit file
+         * Another limitation of this approach is that agl-driver user normally won't have necessary permissions to start/stop those systemd services
+         * Discussed with Scott and contemplated running applauchd as root,instead of a regular agl-driver user
+         * For now came up with a PolKit rule that slightly elevates agl-driver permissions in order to start/stop specific services by name, e.g.those that start with "agl-app" prefix
+         * Experimented with systemd templating and overriding mechanism
+         * Came up with an approach that allows using a single generic template for all the apps, but also allows overriding individual settings for sandboxing purposes (e.g. disable network, protect directories, etc.) or completely override the entire unit, in case a custom oneis required for some apps
+       * **In-Meeting Discussion**
+       * Discussed adding a separate user for applaunchd that is not agl-driver and possibly run the compositor as a different user than the apps. Applaunchd should not run as root.
+       * Authorization and policy management would need to be built in later but the initial sandboxing should provide us the framework for building it in later.
+       * Plan for NN M1 is to have applaunchd converted to systemd, have the ability to start/stop apps, and have a preliminary version of the template available. Will review at the next EG meeting in two weeks.
+     * 6/29
+       * Denys gave a demo of the systemd sandboxing capabilities and start/stop of applications that is ready for M1.
+       * Conversion of all of the existing apps will be completed for M2. Services will come later.
+       * Denys will create a sandbox branch to help facilitate reviewing the code.
+     * 7/13
+       * Code for reworked application start/stop is in gerrit for review
+       * https://gerrit.automotivelinux.org/gerrit/q/SPEC-4466
+       * This is scheduled to go into M1
+       * Currently we still use .desktop files for enumeration.
+         * Todo: work on enumeration
+         * Todo: single app template might not be sufficient for all cases (e.g. Webapps)
+         * agl-app(-html5/-flutter)-* templates ?
+         * extra metadata in desktop files vs systemd units
+           * DISPLAYNAME - maybe use 'Description' field
+           * ICON PATH - well known fixed path (/usr/share/AGL/icons/appname.svg ?)
+       * How to enable a sandboxing feature in a recipe ?
+       * Need to document workflow for:
+         * build with standard sdk/cross-compiler + how to deploy binary and other necessary files
        *
+   * Flutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * 7/13 - Had separate call yesterday. Will get tag for needlefish, but need to enhance in a point release. Todos: try out multiple embedder instances e.g. under qt homescreen (-> Scott will try). Image for GSoC. (e.g.: https://github.com/aakash-s45/ic or https://github.com/hritik-chouhan/HVAC_dashboard)
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation.
+     * 7/13 - Scott is starting today. Starting with permissive mode.
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+     * 7/13
+       * Work going on upstream to enhance gRPC support.
+  * New topics:
+    *
+==== June 29, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Jose, Denys, Marius, Lorenzo
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+     * 4/20
+       * Someone from Konsulko will be starting to work on this half-time starting in the next two weeks. Should get that person to Berlin for the F2F as well.
+       * Marius opened SPEC-4236 to discuss the Flutter integration to AGL. Please review that conversation with Joel and provide feedback. Joel also added some comments to the Confluence requirements page.
+     * 6/1
+       * Applaunchd rework started by Denys.  He received reference hardware and is getting it set up.
+       * First thing to get done is to switch to systemd units. Asked Denys to provide an idea for a plan during the Tuesday dev call.
+       * Marius asked if this will be a knife-switch. Will we deprecate the current spawning mechanism once this is added. Initial thought is that the new mechanism will be the only one available for the Needlefish release.
+       * gRPC is seen as a follow-on effort, but will be available later in the Needlefish development cycle.
+     * 6/15
+       * Denis activities since last meeting
+         * Going over the existing applaunchd source code, learning how it enumerates the apps, parses corresponding .desktop files, handles d-bus calls and signals and spawns the app
+         * Experimented with converting sample apps into systemd units - found first limitation of systemd sandboxing only working on system-level services (i.e. root-owned), but not on user-level services
+         * The workaround is for the system-level services to drop root privileges and run the apps under a regular "agl-driver" user by specifying User=agl-driver in the unit file
+         * Another limitation of this approach is that agl-driver user normally won't have necessary permissions to start/stop those systemd services
+         * Discussed with Scott and contemplated running applauchd as root,instead of a regular agl-driver user
+         * For now came up with a PolKit rule that slightly elevates agl-driver permissions in order to start/stop specific services by name, e.g.those that start with "agl-app" prefix
+         * Experimented with systemd templating and overriding mechanism
+         * Came up with an approach that allows using a single generic template for all the apps, but also allows overriding individual settings for sandboxing purposes (e.g. disable network, protect directories, etc.) or completely override the entire unit, in case a custom oneis required for some apps
+       * **In-Meeting Discussion**
+       * Discussed adding a separate user for applaunchd that is not agl-driver and possibly run the compositor as a different user than the apps. Applaunchd should not run as root.
+       * Authorization and policy management would need to be built in later but the initial sandboxing should provide us the framework for building it in later.
+       * Plan for NN M1 is to have applaunchd converted to systemd, have the ability to start/stop apps, and have a preliminary version of the template available. Will review at the next EG meeting in two weeks.
+     * 6/29
+       * Denys gave a demo of the systemd sandboxing capabilities and start/stop of applications that is ready for M1.
+       * Conversion of all of the existing apps will be completed for M2. Services will come later.
+       * Denys will create a sandbox branch to help facilitate reviewing the code.
+   * FLutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * 6/29 - Waiting for updates from Toyota. Due next week for M1.
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+     * 6/29 - Scott on vacation,
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+     * 6/29
+       * Jose started working on the APIs from WebApps for launching apps. Will probably use gRPC.
+  * New topics:
+==== June 15, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Jose, Denys, Marius
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+     * 4/20
+       * Someone from Konsulko will be starting to work on this half-time starting in the next two weeks. Should get that person to Berlin for the F2F as well.
+       * Marius opened SPEC-4236 to discuss the Flutter integration to AGL. Please review that conversation with Joel and provide feedback. Joel also added some comments to the Confluence requirements page.
+     * 6/1
+       * Applaunchd rework started by Denys.  He received reference hardware and is getting it set up.
+       * First thing to get done is to switch to systemd units. Asked Denys to provide an idea for a plan during the Tuesday dev call.
+       * Marius asked if this will be a knife-switch. Will we deprecate the current spawning mechanism once this is added. Initial thought is that the new mechanism will be the only one available for the Needlefish release.
+       * gRPC is seen as a follow-on effort, but will be available later in the Needlefish development cycle.
+     * 6/15
+       * Denis activities since last meeting
+         * Going over the existing applaunchd source code, learning how it enumerates the apps, parses corresponding .desktop files, handles d-bus calls and signals and spawns the app
+         * Experimented with converting sample apps into systemd units - found first limitation of systemd sandboxing only working on system-level services (i.e. root-owned), but not on user-level services
+         * The workaround is for the system-level services to drop root privileges and run the apps under a regular "agl-driver" user by specifying User=agl-driver in the unit file
+         * Another limitation of this approach is that agl-driver user normally won't have necessary permissions to start/stop those systemd services
+         * Discussed with Scott and contemplated running applauchd as root,instead of a regular agl-driver user
+         * For now came up with a PolKit rule that slightly elevates agl-driver permissions in order to start/stop specific services by name, e.g.those that start with "agl-app" prefix
+         * Experimented with systemd templating and overriding mechanism
+         * Came up with an approach that allows using a single generic template for all the apps, but also allows overriding individual settings for sandboxing purposes (e.g. disable network, protect directories, etc.) or completely override the entire unit, in case a custom oneis required for some apps
+       * **In-Meeting Discussion**
+       * Discussed adding a separate user for applaunchd that is not agl-driver and possibly run the compositor as a different user than the apps. Applaunchd should not run as root.
+       * Authorization and policy management would need to be built in later but the initial sandboxing should provide us the framework for building it in later.
+       * Plan for NN M1 is to have applaunchd converted to systemd, have the ability to start/stop apps, and have a preliminary version of the template available. Will review at the next EG meeting in two weeks.
+   * FLutter
+   * 6/15 - got a few updates from Joel but no progress on the multiple app support yet.
+   * SELinux
+     * 6/15 - SPEC-4332 SELinux not available for NN yet. Scott will look at after EW.
+   * IPC
+     * 6/15 - Kuksa using web sockets for Needlefish.  Major gRPC update is planned in kuksa.val in the next month or so which will be a candidate for Octopus.  Scott discover an HVAC interface in VSS that we re-use and will be hooking up the green machine demo to use that instead of rewriting the HVAC binder that we currently have.
+  * New topics:
+==== June 1, 2022  ====
+Attendees: Walt, Jan-Simon, Scott, Jose, Marius, Denys
+**Application Framework Redesign**
+     * 4/20
+       * Someone from Konsulko will be starting to work on this half-time starting in the next two weeks. Should get that person to Berlin for the F2F as well.
+       * Marius opened SPEC-4236 to discuss the Flutter integration to AGL. Please review that conversation with Joel and provide feedback. Joel also added some comments to the Confluence requirements page.
+     * 6/1
+       * Applaunchd rework started by Denys.  He received reference hardware and is getting it set up.
+       * First thing to get done is to switch to systemd units. Asked Denys to provide an idea for a plan during the Tuesday dev call.
+       * Marius asked if this will be a knife-switch. Will we deprecate the current spawning mechanism once this is added. Initial thought is that the new mechanism will be the only one available for the Needlefish release.
+       * gRPC is seen as a follow-on effort, but will be available later in the Needlefish development cycle.
    * FLutter
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   * New topics:
-  * Chromium 91 upgrade is working for Jose. First frame detection is failing so Jose is coming up with a workaround. Should be ready early next week.

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